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Wednesday, June 07, 2006

What an asshole...Part 2 (Misrepresenting ADD research)

Here's a Tom Cruise wanna be misrepresenting a bunch of data in the quest to show he's an idiot (and also show that ADD doesn't exist and drugs are bad).
While unfunded individuals and grass-roots groups are screaming at the top of their lungs about psychiatrists drugging our children based on made-up diseases, drug companies run hourly television ads to spread the false message of chemical
imbalances. That no blood is ever drawn to prove this imbalance and that no normal child has Ritalin or Prozac coursing through their veins hasn't stopped this catch-phrase from becoming our version of the flat-earth concept widely accepted 400 years ago.

While teachers and psychiatrists are paired up to
push drugs to "help" schoolchildren study, we also have TeenScreen partnering with psychiatrists coming in on the child suicide angle. Behind both groups are money-hungry billion dollar drug companies. It doesn't matter that TeenScreen identifies eighty-four non-suicidal teens for evaluation for every sixteen it correctly identifies (that's just more money for the psychiatric profession when they prescribe the drugs).

For today however, let's not even argue against this fabricated disease (Attention Deficit Disorder) or this sensationalistic worry about suicide (children are six times more likely to die in automobile accidents), but instead let's take a
stroll through the KNOWN side-effects of one drug which psychiatrists happily prescribe to millions.
Ahh and some biographical information about the author - seems like he's well qualified to have such a strong opinion about ADD.
John Carey has degrees in Chemical Engineering and Computer Science from Texas A&M, and has worked for a major oil company for over 20 years. As a humanitarian endeavor, he has researched extensively on the psychiatric drugging of children.
--Updated content from comments--
Some problems with his conslusions...

1. "What about fitting into society?
Studies prove that children on psychiatric stimulants for ADHD are 46% more likely to commit one felony, and 36% more likely to commit two or more felonies. "
This is ridiculous - It's more appropriate to say that people with ADD are more likely to commit crimes since they are the only ones receiving the medication (well besides narcoleptics), but to say that drugs are doing it? Maybe if people without ADD were given drugs and then in turn they commited more crimes. But if you reject the entire concept of ADD I guess he could be right ;)

2."In The Learning Mystique, Gerald Coles confirms a 1978 review of seventeen studies and they all agree: "stimulant drugs have little, if any, impact on…long-term academic improvement." A large percentage of these children become robotic, lethargic or depressed."
1978? wtf! Did ritalin even exist in its present form then?

3. "That no blood is ever drawn to prove this imbalance"
There are structural brain differences - what more of a test do you want? Also blood tests are continually being developed - for example one for anxiety recently.

4, "in the same category as cocaine, opium, and morphine."
DEA classification - this means there is a potential for abuse, not that the drugs can't help. Do you have any idea what we would do without morphine and its derivatives?! You try having surgery or chronic pain without it.

5."Will Ritalin improve your child's grades? If Ritalin could do this, don't you think that Novartis would announce this to the world? The vast majority of children on Ritalin have either NO improvement or their actual achievement scores deteriorate."
People given opportunities don't always take them. A lot of people who win the lottery go bankrupt and get divorced - winning the lottery isn't bad, how the person who wins handles it matters.

And a comment from a friend:
"He's the type of guy that won't look at the other side of the research...like kids who are not treated are more at risk for failure, dropping out, depression, etc"

posted by Steve at 6/07/2006 08:14:00 AM  

5 Comments:

Anonymous said...

You would make a favour to yourself and to readers of this blog by pointing out where is the problem with the line of thought of this Tom Cruise wannabe.
Just discrediting him because his possible "lack of qualifications" is just the ad-hominem fallacy.

Wed Jun 07, 09:50:24 AM CDT

 
The Spoonman said...

I, too, would like to know where to find this asshole so I may give him a piece of my ADD mind. I felt as he did in the past, until I came to understand and appreciate my disorder. I never wanted to take a daily dose of medicine to "sedate" myself from the troubles of the world. When I finally got over my stupidity, though, and investigated and researched I found I should really leave the psychiatry to the professionals. This is a lesson this moron needs to learn. Since starting on Wellbutrin to counteract the effects, my life has been so much better. I only wish I hadn't been so stupid and started earlier than my mid-30s. When I think about the amount of time that has been WASTED because I didn't fully understand what was going on....well, I can't put it in to words. But then I think about all the kids out there who also suffer as I did with parents and teachers putting them down, beating on them, telling them to "try a little harder", "stop being lazy", "I know you're smarter than this"...all without understanding that those poor kids are probably trying harder than all of the other "norms" combined.

Wed Jun 07, 11:14:47 AM CDT

 
Steve said...

His fallacies are quite obvious and do not need me to disect them, as the readers of this blog are more than able to form their own opinions. It's also a waste of time for me. As for his lack of qualifications, that isn't the reason I'm dismissing him, or his ideas, (although it certainly shows with his grasp of cause and effect).

But.. I'll give you a few to make you happy, mister annonymous.

1. "What about fitting into society?
Studies prove that children on psychiatric stimulants for ADHD are 46% more likely to commit one felony, and 36% more likely to commit two or more felonies. "
This is ridiculous - It's more appropriate to say that people with ADD are more likely to commit crimes since they are the only ones receiving the medication (well besides narcoleptics), but to say that drugs are doing it? Maybe if people without ADD were given drugs and then in turn they commited more crimes. But if you reject the entire concept of ADD I guess he could be right ;)

2."In The Learning Mystique, Gerald Coles confirms a 1978 review of seventeen studies and they all agree: "stimulant drugs have little, if any, impact on…long-term academic improvement." A large percentage of these children become robotic, lethargic or depressed."
1978? wtf! Did ritalin even exist in its present form then?

3. "That no blood is ever drawn to prove this imbalance"
There are structural brain differences - what more of a test do you want? Also blood tests are continually being developed - for example one for anxiety recently.

4, "in the same category as cocaine, opium, and morphine."
DEA classification - this means there is a potential for abuse, not that the drugs can't help. Do you have any idea what we would do without morphine and its derivatives?! You try having surgery or chronic pain without it.

5."Will Ritalin improve your child's grades? If Ritalin could do this, don't you think that Novartis would announce this to the world? The vast majority of children on Ritalin have either NO improvement or their actual achievement scores deteriorate."
People given opportunities don't always take them. A lot of people who win the lottery go bankrupt and get divorced - winning the lottery isn't bad, how the person who wins handles it matters.

And a comment from a friend:
"He's the type of guy that won't look at the other side of the research...like kids who are not treated are more at risk for failure, dropping out, depression, etc"

good enough?

I present the information on this blog for people to create their own opinions and disect the topics themselves. I may put a slant on it or make a snide comment- but that's because I'm assuming anyone who chooses to read this blog is similar minded and doesn't need me to hold their hand.

Wed Jun 07, 01:08:05 PM CDT

 
Anonymous said...

at what point in the post did steve suggest that the reason this guys opinions were bullshit was due to his education?

Wed Jun 07, 01:12:14 PM CDT

 
Brian said...

One more thing, and something that is SO important with the Prozac-suicide link, is that since there is substantial reason to believe that Prozac can be helpful for treating depression, doctors are REQUIRED to provide it to people who are presenting those warning signs.

In other words, if you're doing a study on prozac and depression, and you are interviewing the participants beforehand, you MUST give prozac to people who indicate that they are suicidal. When the studies come out, yes, it looks like Prozac is 'causing' suicides, but that is typically an artifact of the way the studies are required to be run.

The same idea goes for treating ADD and then looking at academic progress. If you have a reason to believe that someone would benefit from Ritalin (and remember, the benefits are NOT JUST ACADEMIC!!!), then you have a responsibility as a doctor to recommend that medication. If the kid fails to live up to his or her potential, blame the parents!

Fri Jun 09, 02:34:40 AM CDT

 

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